I don’t experience it bias

File name I don’t experience it bias argument File created date 12:55 pm Monday, November 12 2007

I do not experience it so it is not me bias. Any one else is not me bias

I am not experiencing what i did a minute ago and I will not experience what I am now experiencing in the future so does this mean that they are not me? It does not even have to be close change in consciousness to what I was experiencing before such as waking up from a dream or having a drastic change in what the senses are experiences or the use of mind altering drugs.

One argument might be that you will always experience something new so that a cidentireplica experiencing what you already have will not be your consciousness. But this means that you can never experience the same thing again nor can any one else repeat the same consciousness or it will not be them either but this is not what we want to say that the same person repeating the same consciousness makes it someone else. Then we have the issue with repetition of parts of consciousness. If the whole things can not be repeated why will we allow parts of the whole to repeat as well.

If zombies are possible then is it possible that Is a zombie possible with identical structure, functioning, and behavior. Is it possible not to have the identical consciousness if the structure and functioning is identical in the body? If we do not have identical consciousness then there will have to be another factor that influences the consciousness produced. If there is this new factor will that make the consciousness different what kind of factor is it can it also be understood and manipulated as the structure and functioning is. If so then to produce the identical consciousness you have to reproduce this factor as well. What could this factor be some factor in the environment Every cidentireplica will report the same internal consciousness as the original The cidentireplica can be allowed to diverge from the functioning of the original. They will report many variations in consciousnesses as the functioning of the body diverges from that of the original. This will give much information about the real consciousness produced by the original and all the cidentireplicas. Also we can produce near misses of the cidentireplicas structure and functioning and see what consciousness they will produce. This gives a picture of the real consciousness that is being produced. With this process we can coax out when the original is actually a zombie -- non consciousness automaton, himself and if any cidentireplica is also.

The supernatural argument is that there are supernatural factors that we can never understand or manipulated in any way that can be duplicated such as a soul like factor. This is like saying that we can never duplicate a tv because there is a supernatural factor that we can’t see or sense in any way but it is there because our belief system says that there has to be something there to make the people inside the tv be alive. When we do not understand we make up stories about reality when these aspects of nature a finally scientifically understood the stories seem silly illogical and inconsistent with the understanding we have, even primitive societies have true ideas based on repeated experience and use logic to interconnect these true ideas but when there is very little true information explaining what is happening in nature any thing that is imagined is believed to be possible. Primitive societies know that when they do this process they will have food to eat and when they do this process they will have a house to live in. And if they do this other process they will make or keep a fire going. When someone comes along and says that they can make water so it will burn like wood their logic questions this concept from experience. But when this clear liquid actually burns they are amazed until some one discovers that this water like substance is actually alcohol.

There are many ways to argue against this position

1. A cidentireplica will in fact experience exactly what you do but you say I do not experience him experiencing what I am experiencing 2. There can be just such a physipath that actually creates an awarepath that does this process .. Experiencing what appears to be a different person at the same time as experiencing your own awarepath. But then you say well this enhancement of me is not truly me. 3. But then this enhancement is gone for a while but you still have this memory of the experience of experiencing two different persons with identical consciousness or two people at different points on their awarepath at the same time. This aspect of consciousness can be intermittent like most other aspects of consciousness.

4. There is the example of experiencing yourself in the future or the past and either knowing that is you or not knowing that other person is you.

5. Then there is seeing yourself presently from any number of different perspectives. Thee are many different cases where you can look at yourself from an outside perspective and not see yourself. We look into a mirror and what do we see a face or body. If you do not know about mirrors you really do not know that what you are seeing is you. When people look into water they see faces looking back so they think that these are different people from themselves. There are many ways to remotely view yourself if you did not know that this was you, you would simply say that is not me that is some one else. It is the first person third dichotomy I am my experience to my self but to every one else I am a body Example you see a person in the distance you say to your self that is not me that is someone else. But be cause of trickery of perception that is you view from an eternal source. Imagine you are having a day dream or death experience where you float off the table you see your self on the table and say that is me but now I am outside of my body looking down at my body. You feel that you have left that body that you are not in fact really part of that body Now imagine what some people have actually experienced .. that body getting up and behaving like you normally do. It gives you reason to believe that you are not your body. It is an example of what the awarepaths the body can produce. If you view your self externally it is like viewing the firing of the neurons in your brian as being you. We have to train ourselves to actually see ourselves externally. Like seeing a picture of one self and saying that is me. The picture is not you but you believe that, that is you at a previous time in your life. It could actually be a picture of some one else that looks exactly like you did.

6. Then there is the contradiction of all the other supporting evidence and positive results like immortality, need to take care of the world , reason to be good to other people. Purpose in life tying yourself to higher levels of consciousness, the ability to complete tasks, desires accomplishments knowledge

As we grow up from babies we learn and then train ourselves to what we think we are. In the same way we can train ourselves to think differently in the way of multiplicity of self

If you are only what you are this minute where does any future for you come from. There is not future if there is only the consciousness of the present. You have to be tied to some consciousness in the future or there is no future for you once this minute is gone you are gone as well. Especially since no other repetition of you in another body is you either