Itoarguments part 11

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Duplicate a property argument

What ever physical property that needs to be duplicated can be duplicated to produce a specific consciousness. In the first case we are not talking about making the cidentireplica this is a problem of making given all the powers of making and the correct knowledge there will not be another other necessary unduplicateable property of matter energy etc.

If one point is off limits where no matter how much knowledge, processing ability, you have you can not produce the desired point of consciousness (awaremoment) on an awarepath, there will always be many more points for a person such as superawarepaths vitoawarepaths or other points on the originals awarepath that are infinitely long.

Fidentireplica argument used against the cidentireplica theory

The fidentireplica argument used against the identireplica theory is as follows: The identireplica theory could support the existence fidentireplicas, this concept of fidentireplica existing is so bizarre that the cidentireplica theory could not be right. It is true that the concepts of fidentireplica producing the same awarepath as the original is strange but strangeness does not mean that it is not correct. Second, it has some advantages like it makes the universe a much more productive place for awarepaths to be produced. Plus it allows for superawarepath that could not exist other wise because of a size limit. Third, the cidentireplica theory is not dependent on the existence of fidentireplicas existing for it to be true.--ok

False memory argument

The false memory argument is that a cidentireplica will not have the actual experiences of the original so the memories that the cidentireplica has will be false memories consequently the identireplica will not be the original. An idoriginal by definition will have the same experiences as the original does because he has the same environmental conditions that the original has had. The cidentireplica is not the original but the cidentireplica thinks that he is the original because he will have the exact same behaviorpath as the origianl has? having the same behaviorpath means that the cidentireplica will remember all the memories in exactly the same extent as the original does. If the cidentireplica is allowed to diverge making it then no longer a cidentireplica but a videntireplica, being that the brain can be stimulated in different ways, the videntireplica could remember things that happened to the original that the original or cidentireplica may never remember or remember incorrectly at a different time. If we were to over lay the consciousness of the original over that of the cidentireplica how would they be different? This is the key to immortality or survival of death. If there is no difference between the consciousnesses does not this actually make two of you with the potential to live two different lives? If the consciousness are identical and have the same ixperiencitness then false memories do not matter. If there is a difference in the consciousness and the only difference between them that produces a difference is the false versus true memories, we have to ask why there is this difference? If the functioning and structure of the brain produces consciousness how does the experience do anything other than to change the structure of the brain by having it function differently during the experience? The experience has to leave an effect different than a material effect. But what can this non material effect be. We have no proof that non material experience "stuff" exists. We can ask a few more questions, what if the original did not experience first hand these experience will he have a different consciousness in the cidentireplica then. What if the cidentireplica actually did experience the same experiences for the memories that he will remember but not for the other ones that the original will never remember?

If a cidentireplica has memories that it did not experience because the structure and functioning of the brain just happens to create them, then will a cidentireplica made from the first cidentireplica produce the same memories?

Interregnum argument

Interregnum problem is what happens to the consciousness between the times when the originals exists and the identireplicas exists. Since there is no body there is no consciousness. But the soul theorist will say where does it go. And how does it carry the information of the self and soul to the next identireplica if there is no continuation. The carry through is in the structure and functioning. There is no problem. We know how it happens in that we know what produces the memories. There is no problem with picking a specific individual to carry on the consciousness because there can be any number of individuals that carry on the self at the same time.

An experience produces a memory by changing the future structure and functioning of the brain.

Free will argument

We can refer to the argument if structure and functioning corresponds to consciousness could the functioning and structure of the body have been different? If not there is no freewill nor even the possibility of any difference in your consciousness than there in fact was, we are not only talking about free will for the individual we are talking about free will for the universe. If the only possible way that the universe can behave is the way it did, then all the possibilities that we see were never possible or possibilities. The thought of the possibility is actual, but not ever obtainable. QM would seem to differ from this in the sense that it is probabalistic. But just because there may be just one possible way that the universe can function at a time does not means that in the future of the universe, many different versions of a person will not be generated. We can imagine the situation where now there is one awarepath and no possible variations of it but latter there might be in a duplicate situation. Can you have a consciousness different than the one that you did have? Will you have a consciousness different than the one you did have?

We believe that we could have a consciousness (awarepath) different than we in fact had. We think that there are many different things that can happen to us in the future even though only one will occur. These different awarepaths will correspond to a different physipaths. Many different factors can effect the way that the physipath will function. If only one physipath will contain the ixperiencit of an individual then when that physipath deviated from that path it is now some other ixperiencit does not seem very likely it is a possibility if the change is enough.

If the versions of awarepaths for a person are a possibility then the corresponding physipaths are a possibility and visa versa. If the different versions of physipaths are possible there corresponding awarepaths are a possibility. The corresponding ixperiencit will still be there in the corresponding awarepaths when they exist

How do we deal with the fact that a clone will more likely have a consciousness like the original than other people? Consequently, people will think that by making clones they will be producing immortality for themselves? The environment can have a large effect on structure and functioning of the body so a clone will not have necessarily identical ixperiencit or awarepath. In fact, they will not be exact nor very close. They will not have the same memories, experiences, etc. In a sense this might be good because it means that we should not abuse clones of our selves. This means that we should not clone a person to abusive purposes. What about the situation that we take a clone and reproduce the conditions of the environment as close as possible how close will be the awarepath and ixperiencit to that of the original. Because of QM effect in the body and outside of the body there still may be big variations in the awarepath and ixperiencit. Qm might even modify the knowledge that is used to produce this clone and the environmental path.

Clone argument

If a clone that does not have the same structure and functioning, it will not have the same consciousness as the original.

A cidentireplica will have the same dna as the original but a clone will not necessary have the same consciousness as the original. The question is: “Will a clone have a version of the originals consciousness”? If this is true then every one will want to make clones of themselves in order to make videntireplicas of themselves. If a clone has the functioning and structure of its body close enough to that of the original’s it will be a version of the original’s consciousness but if it does not then it will not be a conscious version of the original. How many different enviropath can we apply to a clone -- All of them. But applying an enviropath to one person will have a different effect on the functioning and structure than on another person.

If it is true that as things cool there are more possible variations then as the universe cools there should not be a cold death but an increase of complexity. This may carry over to consciousnesses as well. One reason it does not take much energy at very low temperatures because of superconductivity to keep electronic circuits going so physipaths that are made of superconducting material will take very little energy to produce consciousness. So as the universe cools there can be may awarepaducers around brown dwarf stars and in space generally. If fidentireplicas produce consciousness then the universe becomes the brain of a god so to speak. Which leads to the idea that we are to make god he does not exist now. But if time is interconnected from the future as well as the past then a non existent god today cold effect us from the future.

Free will argument for the universe

It might be possible that individuals do not have free will but that the universe as a whole does have free will to change the outcome. This might mean that there is no pre determined future for any universe. Maybe the determining factors are truly at some particular level at least random. What is the future effect the past as a unified whole or seamless whole then we have two dimensions of time. Over time2 events in old time1 changes. You look at the whole of time1 at once and changes anywhere in it can then change over the dimension of time two but what point in time1 is the first part of time2 to evolve from. It could be evolving as well no ending no beginning. Add to this the strangeness of the consequences of the identity theory you truly have ---Maybe the identireplica actually give stability to reality where reality might always be changing the potential awarepath are not once an awarepath has been created it has existed forever and has the potential to exist again.

The Infinity argument

The infinity argument deals with the probability of a person’s awarepath in his awarevenue existing in the future or past. It is more likely if time is infinite and awarepaths are being produced during that time. In fact if time is infinite there is always the possibility that the awarepath could exist in the future. We can only say that it has not happened yet or it has happened so many times. The future seems to be dependent on the past. But maybe the past is dependent on the future. In energy or subatomic particles that disappear or appear in the present are appearing in the past or future and visa versa.

This is basically we can never say if a person (physipath awarepath) will show up or not if time is infinite. There may be a truth value to the statement that if time is singular in dimension and infinite in length will the original awarepath show up or will a version of the original exist in the future of the individual. If time is multidimensional then there may be a greater possibility of some particular awarepath existing or version of it existing again. Multidimensional time makes for more possibilities a finite to an infinite amount of infinite possible futures.

If there are an infinite amount of possible awarepaths for each person does this mean that a person will for sure exist in the future once he has existed in the past? Even thought there man be an infinite amount of awarepaths for each person that infinite amount may be a very small percentage of the total infinite possibilities. Second the universe that creates these may not make this particular awarepath or a version of it.

If spacial fidentireplicas exist then the universe will be more likely to produce any particular awarepath or part there of. If there are time temporal fidentireplicas then there is an even greater possibility. But there are many factors. But if now we include super awarepaths that stem from a particular awarepath we increase the probability again. There is the factor of deliberate production of specific awarepaths. -- isoidentireplicas

The equation, for the probability of an awarepath existing again in some person’s awarevenue, might be:

The probability can be for a specific time, for all time, for one or more universes. It can be larger than one for a time period because there can be more than one at a time

We first have to define what we want to know what is the probability that a specific awarepath will exist in the future or the probability that a specific ixperiencit will exist in the future with a certain percentage of duplication.

Variables

Time length t finite, infinite, what level of infinite (tl) Time dimensionality one, to infinite, and then to level of infinite (td)

Width of the awarevenue that is to be considered (wv) which awarepaths will be considered to belong to a person

Universe size (us) finite, infinite, level of infinite Universe complexity (uc) the universe can be big but not complex to produce consciousness at all places

Fidentireplica (f) what level of the fidentireplica applies Time fidentireplicas (tf) what level of the time fidentireplica applies

Awarepath length and complexity

Superpath inclusion (si) which superpaths can be included

Superpath complexity that can exist (sc)

Superpath length that can exist

Superpath convergence/ divergence Superawarevenue size and length for the awarepath

Isoidentireplica produced from other than biological means such as by like devices computers -- silicon neural networks

Isofidentireplicas if they exist and their effect the mixed effect of biological and non biological fidentireplicas.

The effect that conscious beings have on the production of awarepaths deliberately

Probability of awarepaducers existing not the universe through fidentireplica as being an awarepaducer.

Speed of awarepaducers

The effect of consciousness beings deliberately on fidentireplicas producing awarepaducers.

Total possibilities and their probabilities (tpp)

The probability can be larger than one event there can be continuous existent and then multiple existence there can also be periods of non existence

We can make the distinction between real effective awarepaths and ones that are produced in fidentireplicas awarepaducers. There can also be a number of degrees of effect of the physipath on the reality If there are emergent properties then a fidentireplicas and awarepaducers may have an effect on other fidentireplicas within an awarepaducer there may be awarepaths that can effect the out come of the awarepath produced this may be an emergent property of effect

If there is in fact random fluxuations in qm, if awarepath communicate within awarepaducers, they can effect each other. They may be given this ability as well so the degree they can effect reality

Knowledge of knowledge may have unexpected emergent properties.

Even within an awarepaducer there can be different levels of control from outside sources. This will then effect how the conscious being effect the awarepaducer that it is within and the other awarepath that are being produced. Awarepaducer can be built so that it is determined what awarepath can be or will be produced and then it can let the awarepaths determine through random event what will happen. It may not be possible for the external controllers to exactly create awarepath because of QM effects.

The materialist proof

The materialist proof is that from the information that we have there is only the materialist structure and functioning of the body there are not soul mind etc. What we call mind is the functioning of the brain

The concept of the interchangeability of matter is the basis of science and technology. Technology is based on the idea that if we make copies of the original object close enough to its structure and functioning we will get the properties of that original object. In manufacturing we duplicate TVs, radios, computers, if the object is close enough it will function like the original . If you make it better it will function better. If you make if worse it will function worse or break down sooner. In all the sciences if you repeat the experiment with the same conditions or with conditions that are close enough to that of the original the results will be the same. When the results are different you look for extra contributing factors. Once all the contributing factors are determined duplicating them gives the same result

Duplicating the structure and functioning of the body produces all the same consequences that the original has.

The materialist does not have to deal with what the consciousness will be because there is only the materialist aspects that can be different, no mind differences. Thus when we duplicate the materialist aspects we get everything that goes with it. When we duplicate the computer we get all its ability to play computer games generate pictures etc. The materialist argument is that consciousness is a part of the functioning of the body. It would be ridiculous to think that identical functioning and structure would not produce the same consciousness any more than an identical computer would not be able to play computer games. When ever we have the case where the new computer does not do what the original computer does. There will be a difference in the structure and/ or functioning of the computer.

There may be many materialistic factors that science does not know about. But when we say that all the material facts are identical even though we might not know about it by stipulation we include this factor. There is a lot that is not known about matter and the sciences dealing with matter and energy.

Can there be a material factor that goes beyond structure and functioning ? Imagine a material factor that does not effect structure or functioning. It has not effect on structure or functioning what does it have an effect on that is material. If it has not effect how do you know it exists? We know something exists by the effect that it has if it has not effect how do we know that it exists? The uncertainty principle says that to know something about reality you have to experiment with it which changes it. So we never know exactly what a system is doing. But if we know enough we can extrapolate to know where things are or what they are doing.

I don’t remember those experiences bias argument

There are many different experiences that we forget that we ever had. The older that we get the more we forget. Not only do we forget we actually think the experience was different than what it actually was. If memories are the necessary factor for determining personal identity then we can not determine personal identity over time because the enviropath, sensepath, momentumpath (internapath), qmpath all determine the memories that we have and their accuracy. A different enviropath etc. will generate a different set of memories than another one. So memories will not be able to determine a person exactly. Since many different enviropath will produce a different set of memories. Memories are not a determining factor in survival of death and immortality.

Second just because you do not remember some experience happening to you does not mean that it has not happened to you. If you existed in the past as a videntireplica of your current original self it is not proof that you did not exist if you can not remember these past experiences of this previous self. Nor if in the future you do not remember these present experiences or memories does it mean that you have not experienced them before. Memories are not an accurate way to tell if another person is actually you or not. But it can give supporting evidence for being a version of some one, but not conclusive evidence.

Short term memory proof

There is a injury of the brain that destroys part of the brain that turn short term memories into a picture of reality. When a person has this problem they can not remember what has happened to them since the injury. They experience an event in their life then forget that it ever happened to them. It seems like a new life every few minutes. They are however experiencing this life of disjointed experiences as if each event was a new life but they still are one person and one ixperiencit experiencing this awarepath. If we can comprehend this type of reality and awarepath we can make an analogy to the cidentireplica theory of consciousness. If there are different people that have versions of each other’s awarepaths where they start conscious life around birth and continue as children then adult and finally dying,

Principle of interchangeability argument

In science if there were not interchangeability of matter space and time every thing would be much more complex if not impossible to understand and deal with. The principle of interchangeability is the basis of experimentation. If matter, space, or time were not interchangeable with experimentation no experiment would have the same result because every experiment is in a different place, time, and using different matter.

Interchangeability of matter, space, and time one of the basic ideas behind the cidentireplica theory of consciousness. There is also interchangability of structure and functioning to achieve goals. Imagine the change in structure of a television from the first ones to modern ones these change in structures have created great change in functioning but the end result is the same or better.

The concept of interchangeability of matter, space and time are universal principles of science and technology consequently if matter produces consciousness then the same principle will apply to consciousness as does to all other

The principle of interchangeability of matter. Matter and energy are interchangeable in producing consciousness.

The principle of interchangeability of space Space is interchangeable in producing consciousness

The principle of interchangeability of time Time is interchangeable in producing consciousness

The principle of interchangeability of structure Structure is interchangeable in producing consciousness

The principle of interchangeability of functioning Functioning is interchangeable in producing consciousness

Principle of duplicateability argument

There are many different aspects of the principle of duplicateability

First there is duplicateability of experiments. If there is no duplicateability of experiments or their results there is no science. There will be no regularity to nature. No way to predict what will happen in the future.

We believe that if we duplicate a process as exactly as necessary that we will get the same results. For instance, any time we make any thing we have to duplicate a process of manipulating matter to produce an end result such as a computer, television, automobile even planting a seed. If the seed is a different kind then we expect a different plant but we expect a carrot from a carrot seed. We may not get a carrot from a carrot seed but when we look into the situation we will find that the carrot seed had a mutation or difference in the dna structure.

Duplicateability means that when we make a television we will have the results of that television that we expect not a seed that grows a carrot. We do not plant televisions in hope of growing carrots and we do not watch carrot seeds after we connect them to antennas. What do we do with experimental results that can not be duplicated? We assume that there is more complexity in the system and try to create experiments that can show this complexity with duplicateability

When we deal with science and math we look for duplicatable results. The concept of duplicateability is an important concept of science. For there to be a science of consciousness there has to be duplicateability of consciousness at some level.

Reasons for proofs

What each proof is good for

What do we need to prove? This is a scientific theory.

This is a relatively simple theory.

It has many very positive aspects more than any other theory of immortality. Why is it more positive than any other theory of immortality?

Reasons:

1 There is not just one of you. (cidentireplicas)

2. There is not just one version of you. (videntireplicas)

3. There is not just one level of you. (superpaths)

4. You can effect what version appears and your future you's can also do this.

5. There are many fantastically happy versions of you.

6. There are many good enhanced versions of you.

7. There are many interesting versions of you.

8. There can be versions of you that do not hurt other people or cause destruction to the world or to the ability to produce further versions of you.

9. No matter how bad a particular version of you is, to your self, or to others, there are many positive versions.

10. Any set of memories can be produced in a person or you.

11. Any set of or sequence of sensual sensepaths can be used to include people that we miss that have died or changed in negative ways.

12. This theory can be understood by all because there can always be more intelligent or more inclined to learn, versions of a person if the original can or does not want to understand.

13. You can exist in enhanced consciousness that can tie many different memories, concepts, knowledge, versions of you etc. together.

14. The universe may become a very efficient producer of consciousness. (Universal fidentireplicas)

15. Life has meaning for a person beyond death.

16. Life has meaning beyond heaven or hell.

17. Your consciousness can be infinitely long into the past. It could have existed infinitely into the past.

18 Your soul is not limited to a lack of memories.

19 You are not limited by a singular constrained soul and it unpredictable behavior.

20 The death of others is not the end of them, so that the people you care about have a better or second chance.

21 Awarepaducers can produce awarepaths that are not connected to reality or limited by reality so that awarepaths can be produced that do not have a negative impact on reality And awarepath can be produced that are beyond what this universe can directly produce.

22. And sensepath can be applied to any person.

Problems with other theories argument

1. The heaven theory is boring.

2. The hell theory is inhumane.

3. The reincarnation -- karma theory makes you suffer at lower levels for things that are not your fault.

4. In other theories there is only one of you possible. There is only one version of you. There is only one possible version of you. You can not be any other version than you are or become, any other version is not you.

5. There is only one level of you. Which is very limiting. No superpaths but there is the potential of subpaths because of accident or injury.

6. You are not tied to an evil god that makes you suffer, for his enjoyment incompetence inattention etc.

7. Becoming part of the infinite consciousness is limited and has no real meaning as to the consciousness or what happens to the ixperiencit.

Survival of death is the survival of the ixperiencit for an individual.

There are others aspects of survival of death that include memories, feelings, emotions, these aspects of consciousness we do not want to loose either.

Immortality is based on consciousness and you experiencing it. Immortality is the continuation of certain aspects of consciousness specifically you experiencing it. There are types of immortality Multiple immortality Future immortality Past immortality Version immortality

Cidentireplicas have originals consciousness. Cidentireplicas have the behavior of the original by definition. Videntireplicas will have a version of the original consciousness and the originals ixperiencit. Originals could have a different consciousness than they did. Consciousness is based on the functioning of the brain. We can look at awarepath physipath etc, as continuums awarepaths can

The obvious argument

Obviously, the sun comes up in the east and crosses over the top of us, then goes down in the west --- the sun is moving around us. Obviously we have a unique personal soul. We do not sense any thing but what we personally sense and experience. We are not sensing what some other person is sensing. We are experiencing being in a particular spot in the environment that no one else can be at. We see no one experiencing our personal experiences. No other persons unique consciousness shows up in our consciousness. It is ridiculous to say that another person can have our consciousness and be us at the same time that there can be many of you at the same time. Or that there can be many versions of you.

Just because something is obviously true does not mean that it is actually true. Just because it is a belief of all people through all history does not make it true. There have been many things so obvious to people down through history that they never questioned them. Eventually some one comes up with a theory that explains things differently. The identity theory is just such a theory.

Preconditions argument

If we make the assumption that you can not talk to another person when the other person is you. This means that

If the precondition is that there can only be one person that is you at a time, any cidentireplica will not be you as long as the original exists. Even though the exact same behavior exists in the cidentireplica. This also means that we can never predict what person will produce what consciousness because we will have exactly the same functioning and structure and the other factors of matter and space are non distinctive and relative. If we have a million cidentireplicas each will have a different something that makes them different and not the original. What makes them different is the potential to diverge from each other in structure, functioning, and behavior. You can still predict behavior, functioning and structure by definition, but not consciousness. If we accept that we do have identical consciousness then we have to add some extra feature that we do not yet understand or can observe or even detect. It seems strange that the existence of the original will effect if the cidentireplica is you or not. So this probably makes all cidentireplica not you What we know is that functioning and structure of the body is what produces consciousness. But identical functioning and structure can not produce identical consciousness or there is another factor that the identical consciousness does not take into account what can this be? If the difference is consciousness what aspect of consciousness can it be? Is it a small difference is some aspect of consciousness where it seems to be the same person like a conceivable original where the original actually does experience the consciousness. If not a conceivable change in consciousness then what A consciousness that produces the cid paradox no consciousness at all. A radically different consciousness. The most logically is that it produces the exact same consciousness. Then there has to be some other aspect that makes the person not you. What is it? We have no clue to what this might be? There is nothing impossible in the concept that another person can have your exact consciousness then the argument goes because this is a different person it is not you ever when the original dies the cidentireplica has some feature lacking that the original has but what is this factor that is missing? He has no factors that are missing only additions that the original does not have like being alive. The come back is that you can not be dead and alive at the same time. You are not dead and alive at the same time the original is dead the cidentireplica is alive . We had the situation where two different persons produced the same consciousness and now you have one consciousness that is producing the same consciousness.

The argument is a reduction to absurdity (redcito )

1. We loose our ability to predict important aspects about selves.

2. We have to create some abstract concept that is unknown in how it behaves.

3. We have to give up any concept of survival of death or immortality.

4. We have to accept some aspect of dualism because this aspect of the person disappears when this person dies never to exist again or allowed in any other material object. If it was material it would still be useable but possibly in a different material form.

5. It disallows your existence at all. Because you will always be someone else as time passes.

6. It disallows time travel or your future or past you is not you because they could be existing at the same time as you and this is a clear impossibility with this theory.

7. It disallows parallel universes or you existing in a parallel universe.

8. It does not explain how, or allow you can exist in the future or past having a different consciousness and body. 9.

10. If you went into the past, if you were the same, one would have to non exist. Thus seeing yourself would kill you.

11. It makes everything that seems and is important to use not important Such as feeling, emotions, memories, everything that is consciousness are not the important to our existence. It is this unknown factor x. We know nothing about it, can know nothing about it, nothing we say about it can be proved or disproved

12. Factor x is not material nor is it a conscious factor so what is it?

Under what conditions can you talk to your cidentireplica? When you are both are talking at the same time and quit at the same time and the rest of the environment is the same. You could have a discussion with yourself when your cidentireplica is not in synchronization.

Who is the person then argument

If a cidentireplica is not you then who is he. Where did he come from etc. This can also be stated as: if a cidentireplica is not you then it does not have your ixperiencitness. If it does not have your ixperiencitness then what ixperiencitness does it have and why this one and no other one? If another cidentireplica is created will it have the ixperiencitness of the original or of the first cidentireplica or a brand new one? Will each new different cidentireplica have a different ixperiencitness? If eventually a cidentireplica does have the ixperiencitness of the original or of one of the cidentireplicas then this cidentireplica will be part of an ixperiencitness grouping. If these two cidentireplica are allowed to diverge from having the same neuropath will their ixperiencitnesses diverge as well?

The behaviorpath of the cidentireplica will be identical to that of the the original and all of the other cidentireplicas. The cidentireplicas can be allowed to diverge from that of the original and from that of the other cidentireplicas.

The x factor argument

When we have the situation that a cidentireplica can not be the original for survival of death and immortality purposes who then is this person what brand new qualities does he bring that the original does not have or visa versa. It can be a difference between the two but what is this difference? We will call this difference quality x and it is not a difference in matter, energy, space, or time because these will not be the factors that will cause this because they are interchangeable. It has to be a difference in consciousness or a new factor as yet unknown and unseen. If it is a new factor we have the problem of finding it and determining how it works. What ever it is it if we accept the corporalist hypothesis will have to have some way of knowing if a consciousness already existed before and if The counter argument is that there must be continuation of physical and mental aspects to connect to the previous individual but this only works after the person is established. We have to have an establishment principles because if a cidentireplica is made there is no previous consciousness or physical continuity to carry the information from as is the case with the new born or created individual. How does nature know that this x quality has not existed before in another person? someone may say it has to be built up over time but this does not appear to be the case in a cidentireplica. And if this is the case all then that is needed is that it is built up in the same way to create the same x factor.

Summation

1. There is some x factor or factors that is needed to make one person the same as the next person and this is carried by some process of assimilation from one point in time to the next buy a continuous functioning and structure and some core psychology.

2. This x factor is either there at some point in the creation of the individual or gradually develops.

3. Because if the x factor has to be carried on through a continuous physical body when the individual dies this x factor is gone for ever.

4. Since this x factor is permanently gone a cidentireplica of you will not be you because it will not have this x factor. Consequently there can not be survival of death.

5. An x factor is created for each person either through natural ways or from a cidentireplica instantaneously made.

6. Although there may need to be assimilation of this factor over time to new matter this still does not deal with the problem of how the x factor is created.

You need to argue for the unique creation of this x factor and what proof of unique creation is there. To prove some thing unique when we do not even know it exists or not is very difficult. To give it the property of uniqueness is just guessing. To say that there is this underlying process or x factor of nature is going out on a limb but for argument sack lets accept that there is this x factor that makes cidentireplicas and idoriginal not ways for survival of death and immortality.

The idoriginal will have the same process of creation as the original. It will have some x factor but if there is not survival of death it will have a different x factor as the original. We must ask our selves what are the properties of x factors. If it is a property like a soul it is supposed to continue after death. If it is not it has to die end with the body this is then one of its qualities.

There could be an infinite amount of idoriginals each one would have to have a different x factor

It seems that there is this strange process that these x factor are passed in some random order to there idoriginal. They can die at any stage of it life or live indefinitely. There certainly would be no fairness to this if the process if created by some super conscious being

or randomly selected but what process

How are they created not by the environment because the idoriginal have the same environment.

When creating this x factor we have created a whole set of problems that have no need to exist no proof of existence It is like defining a problem with unknowns and then calling it a solution of the problem it has not solved the problem or proved the problem it has just moved it to another area

You do not have a continuum of x factors but unique individual x factors. How do you make some thing that it totally unique? -- this x factor

These x factors have either been around for ever or created at the beginning of the universe or were created at some time

If they have been around for ever it seems strange that they would instantaneously be destroyed after a few years of being used. If they are created as needed it seems strange that no identical one can be created or even one that are closely alike. You have to explain why identical one are not created or ones close enough to be videntireplica of the original in the x factor sense. We then have to find out if this is a mechanical process of creating x factors or is it a consciousness effort by some super beings or being. If this were the case and we gathered enough knowledge we should be able to control the process ourselves and make duplicate x factors when wanted.

Someone might say that these x factors are not physical so they do not go by physical rule of construction. Even if they are in no way physical this does not means that there is not information about how they are non physically created and how to create what one want through these non physical information and laws

In these cases we have gone beyond the necessary and into the bizarre

If the identireplica theory seems strange or scary to some it seems a lot better that no chance of survival of death or the strange religions theories of immortality that exist.

Religion is the old sucker game if you give me x,y,z, you will have great riches “in heaven”.

Religions offer eternal paradise for religious belief, ritual, perpetuation (evangelism) and resources (money) it has been modified over the years to be very persuasive to be able to say what people want to here it has helped some but it had hurt many also it is time for a better belief system based on understanding of everything - critical open mindedness we must perpetuate this critical but open mindedness and have this be the controlling factors in the our belief system and government we should not go back to the age of superstition and cave men. The identireplica allows man to progress to super consciousness and understanding beings and have then be version of us. We do not thus loose humanity to another created species we gain, we become more human, more conscious, more understanding, of our selves of others and of the universe. In doing so we can make a semi heaven on earth.

File proof etc

Different people have different structures to their brains. They can with practice learn new ideas, behaviors, and skills, or at least how to correspond to stimuli in appropriate ways. Some learn some things faster than others. This may imply that ideas, behaviors, skills, learned behavior, etc can be modified. Functioning is some what plastic around structure in producing consciousness. This may mean that with many different structures we can get identical consciousnesses if we can get the correct functioning of the system. It can also mean that we are only getting an approximation of the consciousness but identical behavior. We can talk about identical behavior for ever given identical environmental conditions with the variations in structure and functioning. But this does not necessarily mean that the consciousness is the same?

If a person can care about family members why not about individuals that have consciousnesses like theirs? It might not seem obvious that another person can be you or a version of your consciousness because they are a different person and have a different body. But if people will look at consciousness and what possible consciousness they could have had f situations would have been different in their lives.

Superpath subpath argument

Injuries to your body can make you a subphysipath which can produce a degraded awarepath. If a degraded awarepath can have your ixperiencitness if you started as this degraded awarepath then you could be enhanced to this your potential enhanced state and still have the same ixperiencitness. If enhancement or degradation of the awarepath can go one way it should be able to go the other way as well. The question is how enhanced or degraded can an awarepath be and still have the same ixperiencitness?

Enhanced ixperiencitness argument

Awaretheory predicts that most people will experience an enhanced ixperiencitness. Maybe your normal current ixperiencitness is actually now just a degraded ixperiencitness of the complete you.

Ixpevenue argument

The ixpevenue is a grouping of ixpepaths.

Awaretheory predicts that there are many different consciousness produced by many different itobodies that have the same ixperiencitness. This is a way of grouping awarepaths for the purpose of predicting cases of survival for an original or you. Awaretheory makes a second prediction that itobodies can be enhanced and many of these enhancements will enhance consciousness. Awaretheory also predicts that itobodies can be enhanced to the point where the ixperiencitness itself can be enhanced also. If we can group awarepaths into groups with the same ixperiencitness can we also group some enhanced ixperiencitnesses with lower level ixperiencitnesses for case of survival of death and immortality? What if the enhanced ixperiencitness contains the lower level ixperiencitness?

Is an enhanced ixperiencitness a type of enhanced consciousness? The concept of ixperiencitness ties together awarepaths for the understanding of continuing survival, life after death, and immortality.

Awaretheory predicts that the ixperiencitness concept is a continuum concept which means it is not one way or the other but can be a percentage wise equal to another different ixperiencitness.

Not every thing I write is correct. Like ever theory we modify it to get it better and better as we learn and figure out more and more. Any one that reads these raw ideas besides me should realize that when we think about a problem we try many different solutions to solve a problems. Some will work, and some latter seem not to. In the same way what we abandon as not working may latter seem to work.